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let's listen to her coming out of her daughter's apartment in midtown. >> how are you doing? >> how are you feeling, secretary clinton? are you feeling better? >> yes. thank you very much. thank you, everybody. >> mrs. clinton there leaving. that took place close to a half an hour or so ago. we do not know where she is heading but we do know that both she and donald trump have suspended all campaign activities today out of respect
for the 15th anniversary of the 9/11 tragedies. so all in all likelihood she's heading home to westchester county. it's about a 45-minute, maybe hahn hour on long drive from that position in manhattan depending on traffic. so she may be heading home to rest the rest of the day. let's bring in nbc's rehema ellis. she has been on the plaza there by the 9/11 memorial and the commemorations all day. let's, first of all, talk about the mood there on this milestone anniversary, rehema. what's it been like? >> reporter: it is a day of remembrance, and i sigh because i think people still feel very heavy about that day 15 years ago, and why wouldn't they? this is a day where so many of those who lost loved ones, friends and family members, mothers and fathers and daughters and sons, they come together as a group, and they pay their respects to people that they love, and dignitaries
come out and join them in that ceremony. so there is some heaviness. there is some sadness that's revisited, and we think about those children who were young at that time and who are coming of age now and what this is like for them to grow up without their father or their mother. so sadness, yes, but there's also a time where people are saying, forgive the fact there's a motorcycle brigade that is going past right now and it's very noisy, but there are people who are also remembering that this is a time where people are saying they celebrate, that there has been a resilience in this area that to many people who think that the terrorists' hope to topple the spirit of americans, they say that america's spirit was not broken. look behind me and see the world trade center. 102 stories tall, literally rising out of the ashes, and it is a magnificent beak yocon to fact that people were not
toppled, they were not cowered, and they have not gone to hide and live their lives in fear. this is a very vibrant area and that in some ways is a wonderful tribute to all those people whose lives were lost 15 years ago, alex. >> you know, rehema, these commemorations every year have a lot of display of emotion, but you know the saying that time heals all wounds or at least puts things into perspective. do you think people share your kind of perspective, most of those who have come, and not to at all diminish the fact that they still miss their loved ones but they look at that incredible new tower there, and they realize there's a certain resiliency and we come back from these things. >> reporter: people i have talked to who are here said that to me this morning, that they feel that they are, if you will, moving on, but moving on doesn't mean forgetting. moving on doesn't mean not
remembering. moving on doesn't mean excluding your loved one from your life. it means doing what they tell me, what they believe their loved one would want them to do, and that is to live as good a life as they possibly can, as full a life as they possibly can. that, they tell me, is what they believe is the best tribute that they can give to the people that they love. >> yeah. and, you know, in the wake much this disaster, it was an extraordinary thing that you and i experienced, everybody else who was in manhattan, the unity we all felt. we were all one people suffering through this, and we helped each other out, and, you know, there are just incredible stories of that and that sense of everybody having one voice and one feeling and one focus and one heart because of all of this. it is different now, but days like this, do you have hope that it sort of gets resurrected?
>> reporter: well, for me personally i do because i think that if you don't have hope, what do you have? and as i talk to families who lost someone 15 years ago, i get my sense of confidence from them because they have hope, and they are bolstered, if you will, in that hope by what you just mentioned, and that is that there was a tremendous spirit of camaraderie that occurred in this country 15 years ago. strangers helping strangers to try and find people whom they loved, and to help folks who were bended, whose knees were bended as a result of the pain that they felt from losing someone in those towers, from losing people at the pentagon, from those people who died in that united flight 93 in shanksville, pennsylvania. they say that the people who died were people who were full of life, and so i take my hope
from that if i can just share something with you on a personal note that those people were so full of life, it would dishonor them, i think, if someone we didn't have hope because most of them appeared to be pretty hopeful people. that's what i get from having talked to families who lost someone in 9/11. they tell wonderful stories about the people that they love, how hopeful they were, how forward looking they were, and how much they loved life, and if they loved life that much, we owe it to them to sort of move on in that spirit. that's whey think, alix. >> well, your words attribute to the positive nature of the human spirit. rehema, thank you so much for recalling thoughts from 15 years ago and giving us an update on the commemorative activities there today in lower manhattan. let's go now to nbc's kristin welker. kristin has been outside of
chelsea clinton's pashth aapart there is a good reason for that as her mother showed up rather unannounced probably not feeling so well and wanting to seek some air conditioning given it's horrible weather while she was at the ceremonies. tell us about what happened, how long the secretary was there, and what you have known since, what you found out. >> reporter: well, secretary clinton left the 9/11 memorial just after 9:30, came to daughter chelsea's apartment, and she left just moments ago. she walked out. she was smiling. we shouted questions at her. we said how are you feeling? she said i'm feeling much better after an episode which the campaign describes as secretary clinton becoming overheated. take a look at the video and then we'll discuss it on the other side. >> how are you doing?
>> how are you feeling, secretary clinton? are you feeling better? >> yes. thank you very much. thanks, everybody. >> reporter: so you can see secretary secretary smiling, greeting reporters. she even stopped for a few moments to talk to a young child who walked by, and then she got into her van and left. no word yet on where she's going. let me read you the official statement from the campaign, alex, and then we'll put it into some broader political context. this is from nick merrill who writes secretary clinton attended the ceremony for just an hour and 30 minutes to pay her respects and greet some of the families of the fallen. during the ceremony, she felt overheated so departed to go to her daughter's apartment and is
feeling much better. now, i also shouted some questions at her asking her what happened. she wouldn't respond to that. instead, she said it's a beautiful day in new york, but, of course, politically this comes at an inopportune time for secretary clinton. the polls are getting tighter, and as you know, alex, republicans have been spinning up theories she's not, in fact, in good health. that's something the campaign has pushed back against. her physician says she is in perfectly good health. she has had the occasional coughing fit on the campaign trail which she says is nothing more than seasonal allergies. her last health incident was in 2012 when she had a concussion. she fell because she had the flu. her physician says she is recovered and is up to serving as president of the united states. clearly some concerns here she became overheated so she came to chelsea's apartment to take a few minutes to rest and she emerged all smiles. >> it is a rare occurrence that you and i discuss fashion when
we're talking about politics, but i'm looking at what you are wearing. you've got short sleeves on. i can tell it's a light material. that is in direct contrast to what it appears secretary clinton was wearing. that blouse might even be a long sleeved blouse. put into protect this weather out there and if that's what she's wearing, that's just horribly uncomfortable. >> reporter: that's a good point. and, you know, it was the start of the day. the sun beating down. so -- and you talk to other folks who were there at the 9/11 memorial. they also say it was pretty hot there as well which could describe what happened this morning. so obviously some initial concern within the campaign, but in speaking to her press people and her staffers, at this point they say she is feeling much better. no reason to think at this point in time there's any broader concerns, but obviously that's something we're going to be following up with and undoubtedly i'm sure the campaign will be as well, alex. >> it's clear that the secretary looked rather robust when she
left, waving to the crowd, talking with that little girl. let's just say the solemnity of what was going on there, these 15th anniversary commemorations of the tragedy of 9/11, the secretary is dressed appropriately for that. stha she's in a dark suit, long sleeved. it's not the kind of thing you want to be wearing any inappropriate attire so absolutely appropriate for the event. perhaps not so much to combat the weather and the heat. >> yeah. and i think it bears repeating that this day started as secretary clinton and donald trump saying they are suspending their campaign operations for the day. no campaigning. no television ads. they did both attend that event. they are both new yorkers, and i think it underscores the enormity of the day and the fact that these two candidates who are locked in this bitter battle put that aside for today to attend that memorial. it was something they both wanted to do obviously and jur absolutely right though, alex.
it's one of those events that you want to be dressed appropriately but clearly the sun beating down as well. alex? >> kristin, may i just ask, you mentioned that secretary clinton had no campaign events scheduled, and you're not sure where she has gone, but do you know that she was supposed to be home after attending the 9/11 commemorations, and, if so, that would mean that she's probably en route back to chappaqua in westchester county, new york, right now. >> reporter: and i think that's a good and fair assumption. i can tell you that the only schedule that we were given was for her to attend the september 11th memorials. we weren't given any details about her schedule beyond that, so it is likely that she will return to her home in chappaqua. we will know because she travels with a press corps and a pool. what we refer to as a pool. so we will get the read out on that as soon as they know, but, again, no specific details about where she's heading at this
point. >> knowing the area very well, i would think it's a good 15, 20 minutes given traffic before she would arrive at her home if, indeed, that's where she's heading. i will trust you will bring us that information when you have it. kristin welker in the flatiron district outside chelsea clinton's apartment. we'll take a short break on msnbc live and on the other side we'll be having more updates on the situation here. hillary clinton bound somewhere after taking a bit of time to rest and recuperate from an episode where she felt overheated while attending the 9/11 memorial in lower manhattan. stay with us. we'll be right back. l is really. the first ingredient is chicken. (riley) man, this chicken is spectacular! (jessica) i had to start hiding the bag because he would try to put his face in it all day. yeah you love it, don't you? you love it so much! i feel like when he eats beneful, he kind turns into a puppy again. it's protein. it's vegetables. it's grains. i mean, like that sounds like a dinner i'd make for myself, right? (riley) hey it's a big bag. just have some of mine. (vo) try new beneful healthy weight with chicken.
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ceremonies took place at memorial plaza in new york, at the pentagon in washington, d.c., as well as in shanksville, pennsylvania. joining me is rob, who lost his father on 9/11. ron fazzio was in his office on the 99th floor in the second world trade center when tower one was hit. with a good day to you, i'm sure this is a difficult day for you, rob, but i thank you for being with us to share how you and your family mark this day and reflect on what happened. >> yeah, alex. thanks for having me. it's a beautiful day in new york to see other family members and reconnect to our loved ones and realize how they live their lives and it's a chance for us to share stories and carry their legacies forward. >> let's look back to that fateful day and walk us through what happened. what was your father doing when the first tower was hit and when did you know that something drastic had happened? >> so my dad was one of the first people to see tower one
get hit. he was in tower two in the south tower, and when he saw that, he immediately started getting people out of the building, and when they said to stay in, he was leading the charge and holding the door to get them out. i first realized it when my brother called me. i was in richamond, virginia, h said turn on the tv. we all know what happened after that. we were pretty confident he was okay because you think things like this don't happen, but it did. but we're pretty fortunate to have an amazing story of how he was -- last moments of his life. >> yeah. and, rob, i understand that he could have survived. that is something that has been accounted for your father. so what happened? >> yeah. he could have survived. so from when we traced his steps, when he was holding a door, getting people out, we think he eventually did get out. he was seen on liberty street, and some of his co-workers thought he was with him.
we think he was just in the wrong spot at the wrong time. he lent his cell phone at a complete stranger. that person was able to call his wife and say i love you for the last time. we think the shrapnel from plane two fell down and hit him. >> you didn't know for quite a while what happened to your father. >> my brother and sister, they really -- they were up there and my cousin came in. we walked the streets of new york. we looked in hospitals. to be honest it took me a good three weeks when it really hit me and i realized that my dad was gone and we had to focus on what we had left, which was the way he lived his life. >> were you able to identify him? >> no. they did -- actually they found no body parts. what they did eventually find which is amazing is just a mangled up credit card, so that's all we have in his memory which is kind of ironic because he hated credit card debt.
>> it's interesting you're able to laugh at the irony of that. talk about what's happened in your life since you lost your father. we see pictures of graduations and looks like someone very important to you in your life and perhaps children. talk about that. >> yeah. that's my wife kelly and my daughter, who we named reese after my dad's love of reese's peanut butter cups. >> that's great. >> yeah. it's awesome. i mean, for such heavy stuff and such a hard day, you see my daughter there in my dad's name looking at the fountains and it's such a brilliant reminder of the future and carrying on what people live for, and we know my daughter is going to have that spirit of helping others help themselves, and we couldn't be more honored. >> yeah. you know, rob, i was speaking with my colleague rehema ellis about sort of the tenor of things down there at the memorial today, and i know certainly in the immediate aftermath there were a lot of tears shed by everybody around
the world for what had happened, most notably for families like you, but in the 15 years since you learn to cope. is this a day of tears for you or the smiles that i'm seeing as you recall your father. >> yeah, absolutely. i love that picture of the towers, by the way. first thing i hung up in our new house. with grief comes growth, and for me and my family, it was a time of joy. it gives us an opportunity to talk about my dad. seeing our daughter be there among those people and bringing smiles to first responders and to just everyday strangers walking by, people stopping by saying she's cute, what's the story about reese's? for me this actually was a day of positive emotions and it was awesome that my daughter could bring smiles to so many. >> you have mentioned twice about how your father was holding the door. and you have started an organization called hold the
door for others. talk about the mission of this. >> yeah. so our mission is to help people help themselves grow through loss. so we have an event called hold the door day. we provide resources. because trauma and adversity can be so complicated, people don't know which way to turn, so we try to teach them how to have conversations, how to process grief, how to do it in a healthy way because we know that if you hide from it, it comes back later and can manifest, and we say you can pay now or pay later with interest. >> yeah. and so for those folks who are still struggling with the loss of their loved ones, rob, what do you tell them? >> i tell them to -- whatever thing that they do, make sure that they're connecting with someone, make sure that they're talking with people, and making sure that they're moving in rather than focusing moving on. moving in, what that means is thinking about what they're thinking, what they're feeling, what their grief is all about
and just trying to find something to learn new that will give them some hope and purpose for the future as opposed to getting stuck in one spot. >> yeah. rob fazio, i'm so glad to talk with you. it's really an honor, and i think that the light and the positive spirit that you bring in the wake of such tragedy in your family has got to be an inspiration to so many others, myself included. so thank you so much for taking the time to talk with us here on msnbc on this important day. >> thanks for having me and honoring my dad. >> absolutely. we honor ron fazio for sure. thank you. we have some new video we'd like to bring you right now, and it is showing that which happened around 9:30 a.m. this morning there on the plaza there during the commemorations for the 9/11 15th year anniversaries. of course, the big story today has been the fact that secretary clinton left rather unceremoniously having become overheated. we should say the weather has been horrific, very hot, extremely humidity temperatures.
she was adorned in a long-sleeved coat, a pants suit. and so what we will see here now is her getting into the car. she was a little bit unstable there, not feeling too well. and, again, she had indicated to staffers around here as well as notably probably secret service officials that she was not feeling well, and she needed to leave the event. of course, she certainly did not want to bring attention to herself if not feeling well given the solemnity of the event going on there at ground zero commemorations there of 9/11. so those again pictures that we just got into us, and showing the secretary leaving. she was a little bit wobbly. that's i think an appropriate word to use. you could see right there she had become overheated.
let's bring in dr. natalie azar an nbc news medical contributor. you see that, overheating, and i have said a couple times earlier today i couldn't even wear what i'm wearing now to be appropriately dressed to anchor a broadcast. i was wearing shorts and a t-shirt when i came in early this morning. it was that horrible, that weather. but what you saw there, let's talk about what you think may have led to that. >> i think alex, the presumption it was due to the heat and dehydration and, frankly, just her schedule, as you and your correspondents have pointed out in great detail, she has an unbelievably challenging, tacking schedule that would be so physically for anybody, let alone somebody who is her age. and i mention that only because as we get older, the risk for cardiovascular disease and things like that obviously increases. but, again, i think the presumption that what happened today watis secondary to fatigu being overheated, possibly being
dehydrated and frankly standing for a long period of time, there's something -- a fainting reflex think is not uncommon is probably the right way to approach what happened. there is a saying in medicine or an adage that common things are common. so why -- we can suddenly think of all the other reasons why it could have happened, but the most likely explanation is simply what we've said, and that is that standing for long periods of time with that excessive heat, if she didn't eat enough that morning or drink enough that morning, it could happen to anybody. >> yeah. >> but i think the important message is if this were my patient and this happened, you say, okay, this is probably what happened, but what shall the other causes we want to make sure it isn't. then you start going through an algorithm that's medicine 101. cardiac, neurological -- >> just to be absolutely safe in someone of those caliber. >> absolutely. >> you mentioned about not eating. there are plenty of days i will drink coffee and a fair amount of it i might add. >> right. >> in the early mornings to get
going, and then if you don't eat properly that can set you off. >> absolutely. >> i guess the good point to make is just a mere two hours later there you see the secretary walking out unassisted, waving, you know, able to say hello to a little girl and all that waving and taking -- so, you know, two hours later after a bit of air conditioning, probably settling in at her daughter's apartment, chelsea, not that far away, and getting hydrated. >> exactly. arguably the fact that she improved so quickly after the event would suggest it's not something that was a sustained cardiovascular reason, for example an arrhythmia that's persistent. she's clearly not still having palpitations, shortness of breath. >> let me read the statement there from the campaign if i can pull it out of the numerous papers that i have here. here we go. secretary ktclinton attended th ceremony for an hour and 30 minutes to pay her respects and
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then at the pentagon president obama laid a wreath to honor the military lives lost on september 11th, fweve2007, and in the bat since. and in a field in tiny shanksville, pennsylvania, a ceremony to remember the courage of the 40 people who died trying to wrestle control of their plane away from the hijackers. here is a closer look at this morning's memorials. >> we honor the courage of those who put themselves in harm's way to save people they never knew. we come together in prayer and in gratitude for the strength that has fortified us across these 15 years, and we renew the love and the faith that binds us together as one american family. >> we come together to reflect on all we've done together to recover and rebuild, to respond and to retaliate, and we come
together to recommit to our hard but certain mission to protect our country and our people and to make a better world for our children. >> 15 years is a long time and a short time ago. those of us who have lost our loved ones to violence form a kind of group. we know the shock and grief and anger that follows, the heartache that won't heal. >> and clearly people as they stay together and think about those lives lost 15 years ago today on that fateful day as we give you a look at some construction in the area close to the new freedom plaza, the freedom tower there, that has been built in the wake of the disaster of 9/11 when those two towers fell so tragically 15
years ago today. 15 years ago right now they had already fallen. as you look there at the beautiful blue sky above, you see those clouds reflected in the freedom tower. it is a beautiful picture and we hope that it offers hope to those who had their lives so irrevocably changed on this day. coming up, the new report on the trump foundation and how the republican nominee managed his charity to spend other people's money. like how hard it's gonna fall. (engine revs) the things it does to your parade. we've got a saying about rain, too: when it rains... it roars. the all-wheel-drive charger. domestic. not domesticated. 80% of recurrent ischemic, strokes could be prevented. and i'm doing all i can to help prevent another one. a bayer aspirin regimen is one of those steps
at aarpadvantages.com, you can find helpful information about healthcare options. leaving you more time to think about more important things. like not having to think about healthcare at all. surround yourself with healthy advantages at aarpadvantages.com/health. welcome back, everybody, at 38 past the hour. let's go to politics. new reaction amid fallout over hillary clinton calling half of donald trump's supporters a basket of deplorables. here is trump supporter newt gingrich and clinton supporter xavier becerra. >> romney not hammered for talking about 47% dependent on government. she made a statement where she lumped together millions of americans. she can try to go back and clean it up. she wants to pick a fight. the left has for years used
vicious language to block serious discussion of their policy failures in the inner city. this is more of the same. >> david duke. he's deplorable. the white supreme sibss who go out and say they are supporting donald trump, they're deplorable. the people who agree that anyone based on their religion should not be allowed to come to this country, they're deplorable. >> clinton released a statement yesterday afternoon saying her comment was grossly generalistic and she regrets saying half. she went on to use the word deplorable in describing trump's hiring of a major advocate of the so-called alt right movement and pointed out david duke and other white supremacists see trump as a champion of their values. clinton said she won't stop calling out bigotry and racist rhetoric in this campaign. in talking about her strategy to defeat isis, here is how clinton described some of trump's supporters in an interview on
friday hours before she made the basket of deplorables comment. >> we don't have the departmeth problems you see in europe because we have done a better job of assimilating people from everywhere. we can't let trump or anybody of his ilk undermine one of our greatest strengths. >> meanwhile, a new nbc/"wall street journal"/marist poll finds clinton and trump essentially tied in four battleground states. apz and georgia traditionally and nevada and new hampshire. "the washington post" is out with a new report on the trump foundation. it examines how the republican nominee retooled his charity to spend other people's money as part of its investigation the post dissected 17 years of tax filings and interviews with more than 200 individuals or groups listed as donors or beneficiaries. "the post" discovered in recent
years nearly all of the foundation's money comes from people other than trump. the paper reports the last gift from trump was in 2008 and since then all of the donations have been other people's money. "the washington post" says officials with the trump campaign declined to comment. the post says it also reached out to nbc universal, the parent company here of msnbc which is among many companies who donated to the trump foundation. it donated $500,000 in 2012. the paper is awaiting comments from nbc universal. let's go to hallie jackson at the washington bureau. a good day to you. what are we hearing from the trump campaign about this "washington post" report? >> oh, not much, alex. you said it. the campaign didn't comment to "the washington post" on this story. remember, the reporter behind it has been digging into the trump foundation over the last several months coming up with some of the more explosive stories for the trump campaign as it relabts to the foundation.
essentially to put it in layman's terms, the reporting is that the trump foundation almost acts or acted as like a middleman, taking money from certain organizations, providing that money to other organizations, but as you point out, very little of that money is coming from donald trump himself. now, trump has said in the past that he would, for example, open his wallet as the story notes, he would give donations. i think most notably back to a press conference where he said he would donate to veterans groups and had to hold a news conference to say he did or would. but there are some donations, a few dozen a year, that do come from the foundation raising, you know, giving anywhere from $1,000 to $50,000. it raises questions, number one. number two, it raises questions about donald trump's nonrelease of his tax returns. there are questions in this reporting that could be answered were experts able to take a look at his tax releases. he has not put them out, and, remember, less than 72 hours ago his running mate did. mike pence put out his tax returns and there's been a question of why trump isn't
doing this. he claims it's because he is under irs audit and he's not releasing them under the advice of folks around him until after that audit is complete, but there's really nothing that prohibits him from putting those returns out there to let folks get a better look at his charitable donations, a more precise look at them. >> may i ask you, hallie, mr. pence, he put out how much, was it five years, ten years? he put out a lot of his tax returns. >> i believe it was ten years. no surprises really in those returns, but the headline was sort of less what was in them than that they were released at all. remember, it is sort of very traditional for candidates to put out their tax returns also because of the conflict of interest factor, right? if there's foreign creditors, it's important to know who they are if somebody were to become president of the united states for any possible conflict of interest. so we have it from mike pence, not from donald trump. if the audit wraps up prior to the election he has promised he would release them. that's only 57, 58, 59 days away. >> and it is a big if if it
wraps up in that time. thanks, hallie. let's bring in robert costa, a reporter from "the post." let's get right to this report. first of all, what was the takeaway, and how much do you think it concerns the trump campaign, if at all. this is relative to just the foundation. >> this reporting has been done by my colleague for months, and he's been reporting without much information at times because trump will not release his tax returns, but in spite of that reality, he has dived into the records, called up many charities and provided some substance when it comes to the trump foundation's activityings and this is important for voters as they make their decision. it's an arm of trump's organization in a way, of his interactions in civic life and it gives us a glimpse into how he operates and runs organizations. >> let's talk about the new
"washington post"/abc news poll which fiennes clintnds clinton lead among likely voters. among registered voters she holds a ten-point lead, virtually unchanged since last month. why do you think she's not been able to widen her lead this close to the election? >> we've seen in the past after two administrations for a certain party that it's often difficult to get that third term. so some of this may have to do not so much with secretary clinton's candidacy and her message but the desire among some voters for change, for a different kind of person. so i encounter this throughout my reporting. voters have wariness about both candidates but they sometimes want to see something different. that's what's giving trump a boost in some swing states. >> what about any other revelations from the poll, any takeaways you want to share? >> i think what we're seeing right now is a tightening of the race. this idea that trump in spite of all of his missteps over the summer still remains competitive
in many places because he is that change candidate. secretary clinton in many of these swing states that have vote-rich suburban areas, she seems to be getting some ground with the temperament argument gets trump but it's really a grab ball in the last few weeks of this election. i think the debates are going to really set the tone for a lot of these voters still on thes fence. >> how are they managing the trump missteps as you call them? they're keeping him on script it seems. he's done a lot of teleprompter reading. >> he has. he continues to do these large-scale rallies like did he on friday night in pensacola in the florida panhandle, but we're seeing with the new trump campaign team, kellyanne conway, someone who trump is comfortable with. he's comfortable with the new team. he's been able to communicate with them and remain trump. he's still someone who is firing off tweets at all hours, but in
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in a new interview hillary clinton shares her thoughts on what it will take to keep america safe. >> we have to protect our country by working with one another, and that most certainly includes the american muslim community. what, unfortunately, donald trump has done is made our job hard harder given a lot of aid and comfort to isis operatives, even
isis officials who want to create this as some kind of clash of civilization, a religious war. it's not. >> let's bring in howard dean, former vermont governor, former dnc chair and current msnbc contributor. always good to see you, howard. i want to take a look at some new numbers which show 40% of americans report they still feel afraid when they think about the september 11th attacks. how do you think, howard, that fear could play out in the voting booth? >> well, i think it's certainly going to play out because donald trump is running a campaign based on fear and dog whistling hate. not so much dog whistle actually. he's pretty much out there talking about muslims and imgraveni immigrants and stuff of that sort. i think people who will succumb to the fear will vote for trump. on the other hand, the rational, thoughtful people, and i think those outnumber the people who are afraid by a lot, are going
to vote for hillary clinton because you cannot be safe if the person who is leading the country doesn't know anything and doesn't care. hillary clinton knows a lot about security. she's at all levels of government she has played a significant role in maintaining the security of the united states. so i think in the long run security is a help for the democrats. >> let's talk about the comment that she made friday night, the insinuation that half of trump's supporters were a basket full of deplorables. do you wish she had not said that? >> well, here is the problem that the right wingers have here and the republican party, which is not all composed of right wingers really have a big problem. the problem is a lot of trump's support is deplorable. i saw a poll yesterday which was extraordinary. 62% of his supporters thought that muslims should be excluded from the country.
38% thought gays and lesbians should be excluded from the country and on and on and on it goes. so you do have a core of pretty awful people supporting donald trump. now, that, of course, is not all of them, probably not even a majority. so what hillary said in response is i shouldn't have said half, billion, that's probably right. it's not half. there are people upset by the rapid changes. they haven't been able to adapt to the fast-moving changes in the economy, and one of your previous guests pointed out that trump is the candidate of change. the trouble is this is not the kind of change that's good for america and it's not entirely clear whether it's going to be compatible with the survival of america. >> the fact that hillary clinton came out yesterday and offered an apology, you talk about half, that that was the number or i guess the quantifying factor. she did apologize for saying half. is that what the apology is for? why do you think she felt she needed to say she was sorry?
>> half is not -- first of all, i don't think she said she was sorry. i think she regretted saying half because it's not half. but i think she needs to continue to call out bigotry and racism and there's a lot of that in donald trump's campaign. >> okay. howard dean, i think we're going to have you back in it's next hour. there's been a lot of news as you well know. the producers will reach out to you. thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up at the top of the hour, the latest on hillary clinton overheating at the 9/11 ceremony here in new york. and struggle and fight and love to run your business. and when you need legal help with that business, we're here for you. we're legalzoom. and over the last 10 years we've helped one million business owners navigate every day challenges. so visit us today for the legal help you need to start and run your business. legalzoom. legal help is here. will your business be ready when growth presents itself?
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